Nature from a different perspective. Two short article extracts relating to the deepest level of reality physics and life (sourcing physicist and philosopher David Bohm)

Nature from a different perspective. Two short article extracts relating to the deepest level of reality physics and life (sourcing physicist and philosopher David Bohm)

Exploration of the meaning and nature of all things pertinent to each of our lives

Recently I had the fortuitous opportunity to read a blog titled “River of truth” written by Will Keepin (posted online by Alex Paterson). It is a lengthy article.  It focuses principally upon the lifework of David Bohm [an eminent international physicist]. I feel what you may find most interesting is how Bohm attempted to incorporate the ideas of the Indian spiritualist master and mystic, J. Krishnamurti.

I have taken an extract from this article by Keepin titled “Dialogues with Krishnamurti” and it follows immediately below. Bohm attempted to peer into unheard of epistemological realms of what he considered to be the cosmic whole (reality).

You will find the quotation below is heavily philosophical and you may find it difficult to fully comprehend. However, I feel if you can read in between the lines of what the author is suggesting you will find it to be a rewarding piece of text. I have italicized certain sections on your behalf.

  1. Quote from Dialogues with Krishnamurti:

(I italicised and emboldened the text)

“In any authentic scientific quest, obstacles of tremendous challenge are confronted periodically that make it very difficult to see how to proceed further. Indeed, if it were otherwise, great science would be much more prevalent than it is. Excruciating trials and tribulations characterize these junctures, which occur all the more frequently when working at the foundational levels of science (rather than with downstream corollaries and theorems, which occupy the time of most scientists). When Bohm encountered such obstacles, he responded in a way that is unusual for scientists, and especially rare among physicists: Bohm carried his quest beyond not only physics but beyond the bounds of science altogether.

Bohm’s greatness is due in significant measure to his frequent habit of carrying his burning questions well beyond science and deep into other epistemological realms, leaving behind everything he knew in the search for new clues and insights. In so doing, Bohm exemplified his commitment to wholeness, not in his theories, but in his epistemology.

The most significant example of this process was Bohm’s extensive dialogues with the Indian spiritual master and mystic, J. Krishnamurti. Bohm was first exposed to Krishnamurti’s teaching when his wife, Saral, brought home to him one of Krishnamurti’s books from the library because she noticed that it centred on the observer/observed relationship, which is so crucial in quantum theory. Bohm and Krishnamurti eventually developed a close friendship, and they carried on an intensive dialogue over several years that entailed deep explorations of the ultimate meaning and nature of thought, insight, existence, death, truth, reality, intelligence, and so on.

2. Truth Beyond Reality


“… The Bohm-Krishnamurti dialogue set a profound precedent in being one of the first enduring dialogues between a leading Western physicist and a world-renowned Eastern spiritual master. Their discussions probed deeply into various dimensions of human knowledge and experience, including in-depth discussions of the limitations of human thought, the nature of insight and intelligence beyond thought, as well as many other topics such as truth, reality, death, existence, fragmentation, and the future of humanity. In exploring the distinction between truth and reality, for example, some of the jewels of insight that emerged may be summarized as follows (which, in the spirit of Bohm and Krishnamurti themselves, should perhaps be read slowly and contemplatively to be absorbed). There is a gulf between truth and reality; they are not the same thing. Illusion and falsehood are certainly part of reality, but they are not part of truth. Truth includes all that is; it is one. Reality is conditioned and multiple. Truth is beyond reality; it comprehends reality, but not vice versa. Reality is everything; truth is no-thingness. We need truth, but our minds are occupied with reality. We seek security in reality, but authentic security comes only in complete nothingness, that is, only in truth. The seed of truth is a mystery that thought cannot encompass; it is beyond reality.

Such insights are characteristic of Krishnamurti’s teachings. Indeed, perhaps the greatest impact of these dialogues on Bohm was a cultivated understanding of the limitations of human thought, as well as a deep realization of the existence of pure awareness beyond thought, wherein lies the source of all true insight, intelligence, and creativity. Bohm also had a number of meetings with other spiritual masters, most notably the Dalai Lama. The influence of spiritual teachings are apparent in all of Bohm’s later work, and, indeed, they are perhaps particularly significant in his formulation of the superimplicate order, which will be discussed shortly. Bohm’s work in physics is unique in that he built a spiritual foundation into his theories that gives them a profound philosophical and metaphysical significance while rigorously preserving their empirical and scientific basis.”


Lifework of David Bohm

River of Truth by Will Keepin

Posted online by Alex Paterson

[Updated March 2008]

The original Will Keepin document